Comments on: Just To Put Things In Perspective…

By: Electricians Minnesota

Electricians Minnesota — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:05:58 +0000

Have you considered about introducing some social bookmarking buttons to these weblog posts. At least for google.

By: nothinggrinder

nothinggrinder — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:49:57 +0000

In 2005 Apple announced a patent on the Canvas tag for HTML. At that time, Ian Hickson and the W3C were against this. Their argument was for SVG over the canvas because SVG was already a semantic standard that could be described using the DOM model. Ian Hickson even argued this in a blog post back in 2005. I quote:

“This makes no sense. Proprietary markup is proprietary markup, whether it is HTML-based, XML-based, or any other language such as PDF, Microsoft Word, XAML, or Flash. It’s not the exact order of the angle brackets that matters, it’s the lack of open, consensus-driven specifications, the lack of interoperability.”

Apple still owns these patents and yet Ian Hickson is now a supporter of the Canvas element in HTML5… I see he is posting his arguments here.

They continue to treat Flash as if it has made no technological progress since 2004. They argue that Flash is not an open standard, even though it is. It is everything they want HTML5 to be, in fact it is my belief Apple is trying to build Flash in HTML5 and Ian Hickson is trying to leverage the politics behind the HTML5 work group to allow chair people the ability to edit spec without going through the bureaucracy that everyone else does. From the emails I’ve read this is Larry Masinter’s argument. We can conclude that Adobe ( represented by Larry Masinter, one of the inventors of the web) is trying to prevent Apple and Google from taking control of technology and is in fact fighting to protect open standards.

Ian Hickson even bad mouthed Adobe rep Larry Masinter, saying Masinter is trying to hinder the release of HTML5. Adobe has no real vested interest in HTML5, they simply need it to support alternate semantic content for Flash. Google (Ian Hickson) and Apple (patent holders for HTML5 tech) have much more at stake.

http://blog.nothinggrinder.com/id-rather-be-a-woz

By: _mark

_mark — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:28:32 +0000

don’t worry about all these Apple fanboys beating their chests over HTML5. Flash ‘ain’t goin’ nowhere’ anytime soon or anytime for that matter. It will be around and thriving for a long time because actionscript is just THAT good.

It’s funny how they are just merely covering for this iPad’s shortcomings yet they fail to address the fact that it also doesn’t have ANY plugin architecture including Silverlight or Java. It’s just a portable kiosk for itunes and the fanboys are pretty much acting like sore losers.

BTW, Apple has only 0.12% of the mobile market and 15% of the PC market. Does it REALLY matter to the rest of us??? LOL

No it doesn’t. We actually enjoy using the internet and flash. Fuck you Apple.

By: Tyrone Fyles

Tyrone Fyles — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:27:19 +0000

I never would have imagined that I needed to know all this. I DID need to know this! Thank goodness for Google.

By: Jason

Jason — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:23:47 +0000

Great article. I think the whole argument is a little immature and full of “flash sucks” attitudes. I use to be a flash hater until I grew up and looked into Flex. Now I am happy to use Flash because instead of only looking at what was bad about it I looked at what is good about it and what no other technology has, today. Still waiting for CSS2 to be implemented correctly on all browsers as well BTW.

By: Ian Hickson

Ian Hickson — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:11:05 +0000

@Joseph well, maybe not without _any_ bugs, sure. But at least with a big test suite and with all the tests passing.

By: Joseph Labrecque

Joseph Labrecque — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:47:33 +0000

@Ian Is anything ever truly without any bugs? Since we have to rely on different browser vendors with their own interpretations… how would that even be possible?

Looking forward to HTML5 – an update has been needed for some time and there are a lot of good ideas packed into the spec.

I don’t believe Flash Player will ever be free of bugs :)

By: mh

mh — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:35:02 +0000

And one more thing. If i go to the apple site i can watch a video all about the ipad, or at least i could if i had the quicktime plugin!!!

By: Ian Hickson

Ian Hickson — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:24:02 +0000

2022 is the date I estimate there’ll be two complete and bug-free implementations of HTML5. What’s the estimated date for when there’ll be two complete and bug-free implementations of Flash?

By: Joseph Labrecque

Joseph Labrecque — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:59:30 +0000

@mh Yeah, no – you’re right. HTML is a markup language… one of the reasons this is all so silly.
I’m not worried about JavaScript. They could have made JS really nice but opted instead for the status quo.

@Dorian With the Open Screen Project and Flash Player 10.1, this is a concern that will fade as more devices accept the runtime. If you are creating content in Flash that can be replicated in HTML as a fallback- then by all means. Most of my Flash projects cannot be replicated in HTML and this is where the major trouble lies when it comes to Apple devices.